MIBs: The Men in Black
Kerry Cassidy: OK, so tell us
Dan Burisch: Sure, OK. Well, the Men in Black.
K: ...about the Men in Black. Yeah.
D: Part of it is a psychological operation you have within
Majestic and that they operate to scare people away from things
that they’ve seen, that they don’t want them, you know, further
bringing information out in the population. The so-called
“people factor.” Anything about that, they attempt, or have
attempted... I don’t even know that they’re still in
operation... to suppress. Then you have the real McCoy. The real
McCoy is not human. The real McCoy is in fact a P-45 J-Rod.
They’re using, through the use of some sort of sinuous
biomechanical technology, the skin of a dead human.
D: The skin of a dead human. These are the ones that walk up to
you and they look like they’re shuffling like they’ve just
filled their drawers. When they speak through this technology
that they are wrapping around them, they sound very bland, very
monotone. And they don’t belong. You tell very quickly that they
K: Have you met one?
I’ve met several of them. They were operating around my work
at Sunchase before we were moved to a different location. I can
say they’re very “sallow” in appearance. They thought that it
was an appropriate expression to sing me “Happy Birthday” one
year over at, ah, I think it was at the start of 2003. It was
either ‘03 or ‘04 ...‘03 I think it was. Yeah.... and I did not
like being around them. And they will not think twice of using
force on you. They will hit you. They will push you. One did me.
Marcia, not that long ago, got her fill of both types, both the
psychological operations people who attempted, a few years ago,
to scare her off over at Winchester Park – these were... those
were human beings. They were just striking fear in her – and one
actual real McCoy... MIB. And this thing... I actually saw it
first. It wandered on to... they get confused easily. And that’s
a good thing... wandered on to our property at where we’re
presently living. And I was walking home from her apartment at
the time and I thought a child was swinging on the swingset.
There’s a swingset out in front of my apartment. The closer I
got, I thought that it was a little older kid wearing black.
Then I noticed it had a hat on. And he said, “Swing! Fun!” He
was lost in a memory, apparently, of the person that he was
wearing. And I looked at him and I got very afraid inside
because they carry weapons. They can be killed with weapons too.
They were not supposed to be on our property. Our Security did
not do its real job. We’re not worried about the real two-legged
real humans that just walk around. It’s these things...
K: So he was the size of a child? Is that what you’re saying?
D: No, he was... He... I thought it was a child on the swingset
as I was walking. It was past dusk. It was dark out there.
K: So he was a normal size.
D: He was a normal size.
K: Full grown person.
D: Yep. And wearing all black. And he had a black preacher’s
type hat. Round brimmed...
K: How do you get rid of him?
D: Well... how do you get rid of him?
D: Well, it would be very good if a person could actually... I’d
better be careful suggesting that...
Marci: Uh huh.
D: ...‘cause they are still human beings. They took him into...
Security ultimately took him into custody. I just want to be
careful liability-wise of making the suggestion about how to get
rid of one of them. But...
Marci: People could miscue and we wouldn’t want to have
D: No. Saying, “Well, you know, Dr. Burisch said do this or
that.” There shouldn’t be that many walking around. Don’t worry
But it... it wasn’t even sent there to deal with me. It was sent
there to deal with her [pointing toward Marci]. And it found
itself apparently lost in a memory in the swingset. And I said,
“Good! Swing! Good.” Instead of going [makes disgusted face].
Walked in, keyed the door to my apartment, pressed the emergency
button for Security, hoping that they were going to respond.
Went in and told my mother-in-law what was going on.
out of the window and said, “Yep.” She’s been in a Majestic
family all her life, and she said, “Yep.” Then the oldest got up
and looked out the window and I said, “That’s what one looks
like.” It was her first experience seeing one. Yeah.
D: And I said, “Doris, go over here.” And I unlocked something
and I pulled something out for her and I said,
“While I leave
here, because I’m going to do the hurt bird routine and lead it
away,” (because we had three kids). I said, “I don’t know what
its intention is. It may have a lethal intention here and it’s
just presently lost. Soon as it gets done swinging, it may pull
a weapon out.” And I said, “So if it comes near here, defend
yourself and the kids. Meanwhile I’m gonna grab something else,”
and I grabbed a weapon, “and I’m gonna try to lead it away.”
the time I had the second weapon out and was armed, it was
walking off already, toward her [points at Marci, laughs]
So I said,
“OK. Well, I still have to get it in case it turns
around because if it knows where I went into the apartment, I
have to lead it away because there are kids in here. There are
little girls in here.”
Yep. And so I walked toward it, past it
[laughs], walked clear by it, and it just continued shuffling
ahead slowly up the sidewalk, gradually toward her apartment.
I got over to her apartment and I said,
“Where the hell is
Security?” She was pushing buttons over there and nobody had
responded. Got on the radio. Nobody responds. I said, “You have
an MIB walking toward your apartment right now.” She said, “An
MIB?” I said, “Indeed.” I said, “They are dangerous, as you are
well aware.” But it was her first experience with something like
this. I said, “Come here and look. It can’t possibly...”
I wanted to make sure it wasn’t walking back toward my apartment
where the girls were.
I said, “It can’t possibly have reached
here by now.” [laughs] I mean, it’s walking slowly. And so she
came out with me and she went over by the wall behind a bush and
she didn’t see it initially. It was hidden like in the recesses
of a light, as it was walking up in one of the shadowed areas.
Because now the lights had kicked on on the exterior of the
building and all that. And I walked up on to the sidewalk and
saw it, and I turned my back on it at that point. They don’t
So I turned my back on it and said, “You may watch me going
that [points in illustration] way,” to Marci. And she said,
‘cause she’s not a faint-of-heart female, “Why?” And then she
saw it over my shoulder and got her first .. . laid her first
eyes on an ET. And her eyes got about that big [gesturing],
which is a normal reaction. And she walked. [looks at Marci and
says, “Giving you some credit.”] She actually walked from there
back toward the corner of the building, before I saw her break
into something more than a walk. She walked away from him.
By then, I’m still standing there and this thing walked by me.
Now I’m wondering what... why it’s here, and I said, “Hi.” And
it turned this close to me [gestures at arm length] and said,
“Hello,” and then it just continued to walk [gestures away].
Walked right past me like I wasn’t even there, toward her. I
thought, “Well, OK, it has an assignment. We don’t know what the
assignment is.” Because it will not give up its intention
behaviorally before it carries out its assignment. And I wasn’t
sure if it was armed or what. So I walked by it again. [laughs]
This is how slowly it was shuffling. It walked like it had poop
in its pants. I mean that’s how he did... I mean, they are
clearly not comfortable in the skin.
I walked by it again. Now I had made certain adjustments to the
firearm I had on me because I was figuring that whatever was
going to happen, it was going to happen fairly soon. And if it pulled
a weapon out, I was going to do what I learned in the police
department and do it well. For propagation.
Got back to her. Got all the way into her apartment. Locked the
door. And I said, “Go get your gun.” She pulled the weapon out.
“You’ve been a former cop, too. Do what you do. Do it well.” By
that time we were both shaking, figuring, you know, it was going
turn into something very bad.
It sat down on a stairway outside of her apartment and... it had
a bag with it. It was a black bag of some sort, and I didn’t
know what was in it. It could have been anything. It just sat
there, and then it got up, and it walked past her apartment. And
now I’m looking at her like, “What the hell is this?” Still no
Security. Finally, after it had made its way all the way to the
basketball court area... and it stood there and looked around,
still confused... Security came up with its weapons [models
sighting along rifle] drawn, and took it into custody. Put it in
one of the vans and off it went. They cuffed it, you know, like
a human being would be cuffed and they took it.
She got a couple photographs off. We actually, because it walked
out toward the court... I was looking through the window and
said, “Well there’s no way it could get us from here even if it
does have a gun on it or whatever.” She stepped out on to her
porch and she took a couple photographs with a... [queries
Marci] It was a disposable?
Marc: I found a disposable camera that was up on the bookshelf
near the door. And I just grabbed it and that’s all I had in my
D: She took a couple photographs of it and we have since made
those public on the Eagles Disobey forum. Those are real, the
real McCoy. The best I could do enhancements that show, one
after another, with it... bringing it out from the background.
Those were the best enhancements I could do because the original
photograph that we put up there, too, if you saw it, I mean, it
was basically jet black. There is no carrying of the flash and
it was not set for, you know, night speed or anything like that.
It was an indoor/outdoor type daytime camera, a disposable
camera. But it was all that was available. Now, Security took
photographs and all that but they don’t share ‘em.
D: At the same time I was doing my weekly reports and I detailed
it in my weekly report and I allowed that weekly report to be
made available through the website. I said the MIB was taken
into custody and no one was injured. But, yeah, he just walked
on to our property, assignment still to this day unknown.
Dismissed from Majestic
D: Well, following 20 years of service for the Majestic, last
October the 12th, which was October 12, 2005, I was dismissed at
the time of their adjournment, to complete a final set of
orders, if you will, to present the information which I have
learned over the last twenty years concerning the
extraterrestrial intelligences to the world or to whomever
wanted to hear.
For the last year’s time we have been committed
to a debriefing of my service since 1986 and even actually
before that. We’ve ranged into speaking about my early life as
well. We’re hoping that within a short period of time, the DVDs
will be completed and this will be presented. And this will then
conclude my service to Majestic, with a very big relief and
Right now we are presently in the middle of several different
projects, inclusive of which is
Project Lotus, which has
basically been dispatched and dismissed to me after the years of
service as well. This project...
K: Do you mean it was turned over to you?
D: Well, it’s been turned over. I don’t think that the folks
from the former Majestic are continuing the research at all. I
really don’t think that they want anything to do with it after
the problems that we’ve had and the associated problems at a
couple different facilities involving, we’ll say, extraneous
energy emissions around the project that caused some damage to
Extraneous Energy Emissions
K: To back up a tiny bit, could you tell us what is Project
D: Sure. In May of 2001 we traveled to Frenchman Mountain here
in Nevada to begin a real project looking for a bio-marker, for
a possible precursor virus. It was a rather prosaic study,
looking for evidence of panspermia. During the course of that
initial investigation we came across some anomalous activity in
some of our data sets. That anomalous activity was ultimately
tracked down to very unusual electromagnetic activity associated
with silicon oxides.
And we have since tracked that anomalous
activity to any silicon oxides present in minerals... to wit,
the activity is the presence of an emission of electromagnetic
bundles containing information. We are presently attempting to
further define the nature of that electromagnetic anomalous
activity. But we have in fact determined that the activity is
associated with cells within the terrestrial environment... and
that they have effects upon cells in our terrestrial
environment, up to and including modifying the genetic material
of extant cells in our environment.
K: Are you saying living cells?
K: Uh huh.
D: We have, together with these electromagnetic emissions, that
we have defined with relative precision to date, to be specific
varieties of what we termed as particles. We had to call them
something. They’re bundles of electromagnetic material, confined
discrete bundles, that we believe are possibly related to... as
far back as the ancient Pavitrakas of the Hindus... subtle
matter particles, which could be imparted into our environment
and effect changes. Thus far, we have not observed negative
changes, meaning, the effects of these subtle matter particles,
if you will, have not affected our environment negatively.
K: But you have had interruptions as the result of these
particles being ...
D: We’ve had...
D: We’ve had anomalous thermal emissions when too much or too
little energy was imparted to the silicon oxide-bearing
material. We have had unusual drains of batteries around the
activity. And we have not defined why. But, there have been two
phenomena associated with Lotus that have been particularly
striking to me as a biologist. We’ve had re-sets of cells which
have occurred. And I say “re-sets” because I’m trying not to
make it sound Frankenstein-like... where there have been
heat-fixed yeast cells which have been used as, ah... offered,
if you will, to this phenomena as target cells. And upon the
receipt of material of these dead, heat-fixed yeast cells, we’ve
had a re-start of the cells and we have the photographic and
K: So they’ve come back to life, is what you’re saying, as a
result of this...
D: There has been a...
D: Yes. I really don't even like using those terms. It's out of
the book, off the edge of the pizza, so to speak. But we have
had a re-start of the cells in that location. However, the cells
which have restarted from the dead cells are not the same cells,
are not the same function, functioning, cells as the precursor
cells, the precursor yeast cells. We don't really know what they
K: You mean... are you saying that the cells changed and are
functioning differently after being exposed to this energy?
D: Yes. We started out with a, essentially a fungal cell, a
budding yeast cell which we heat-fixed, and the result was more
termed what one would normally term an animal-like cell.
K: Really? So it...
...actually changed it from one thing... it actually
transformed it from one thing into another.
D: It transformed it from one thing to another, after imparting
to it what we've come to call a template. There is an...
K: Is this...
D: ...actual imparting of DNA...
D: ...to the cell. So, we're receiving DNA essentially across
some sort of an electromagnetic barrier, through these... what
we call portals, these emissions of electromagnetic energy that
then impart further discrete bundles of electromagnetism to our
K: So is...
D: We’re attempting to understand it. We don’t understand what
we are truly looking at at the moment. We’ve not truly defined
the Lotus as a system.
K: OK. But are the particles, are these
the Ganesh particles
that are coming through?
D: [nods head yes] We think that we defined three basic discrete
varieties of particles that we have termed, Alpha, Beta, and
C-type particles. The A-type particles were nicknamed “Ganesh”
particles, and that’s what they are. They’re nicknames. We had
to call them something, so we called them “Ganesh particles,”
out of historical deference, if you will, for the Mover of
And we called the portals, “Shiva Portals,” as an opening or a
changing. These are the admission, or emission, centers, if you
will, for these Ganesh particles.
And then we have still another variety of particle which we call
“Selkies.” And Marcia actually named them. These are C-type
particles, and they basically act as almost like crossing guards
which line the periphery of an electromagnetic stream that
leaves these portals, and basically act as guards or guideways
surrounding the Ganesh particles, giving them a pathway to a
Now the real question, I think, is: How is the decision
being made for a target? And we’ve identified on the Selkies
what appear to be acoustic antennae. And I say appear to be
acoustic antennae, because changes of input into this system,
acoustic changes, affect the behavior of the Selkie particles.
K: Sound. In other words...
K: ...sound is affecting the Selkie particles, causing them to
redirect the energy, toward the target or away from the target?
Portals = Micro-Wormholes?
D: Causing them to redirect their positions which confine an
electromagnetic stream, or a river if you will, being emitted
from these portals. And you know, we’ve wondered what the
portals are. They might be micro-wormholes.
K: I see.
D: We don’t know right now.
K: And these are
D: No. These are microscopic sized. Somewhere within the 20
to... well it would be very transient up to 50... but around the
10 to 20 micron size, micrometer size. And so they’re observable
quite readily under a compound microscope if the conditions are
held constant and if they are treated delicately. They’re
extremely transient phenomena.
K: In other words, you don’t have control over them.
D: No. No. And in fact, we don’t do any direct propagations
anymore. The last direct propagation was done last November and
we received, for the second time, an anomalous growth of cells
in the medium surrounding the crystal that we were using. We
were using a quartz crystal, because of the silicon oxide nature
of quartz crystal. And we received an anomalous growth of cells
of unknown origin around the crystal, so we do not know where
these cells were from. We’ve had that happen now twice and we’ve
determined that we’re getting a little too good, if you will, at
the science of propagating these portals and we’re possibly
receiving a negative consequence as a result.
K: In other words, those could actually be
an alien life-form.
D: Indeed they could be...
K: Very interesting.
D: ...they could be extraterrestrial. The cells...
K: Cells. I mean, they’re microscopic, right?
D: Right. You know, we’ve received a mix of very unusual cells
which we are not... I was not able to cytologically type. And
also cells which appeared nearly prosaic to our ocean here
microscopic one-celled organisms – haptophytes.
K: But they came out of nowhere.
D: The material that we had provided to the experiment
prohibited a cross-contamination, the ability for this to have
been a cross-contamination. So they came from somewhere. They
came from somewhere.
Now, also, what we’ve done is a repeat of a very famous
experiment called the Spallanzani experiment with beef broth,
but we put a tweak on it, if you will. The Spallanzani
experiments were experiments designed to either prove or
disprove the idea of spontaneous generation. And so the question
is then begged: Are we exhibiting spontaneous generation here?
And I think that we have zero evidence that this is spontaneous
generation. And allow me to explain why.
The Spallanzani experiment that we repeated... we did it exactly
the way the famous experiment was originally done... with beef
broth that had been boiled, but we actually had it autoclaved so
that we had pressure and heat both acting on it, getting rid of
all the spore-formers, everything that could have been present
in there as a living organism.
We left some open, some closed,
and then we did a closed and an open experiment where we applied
electricity and a silicon oxide-bearing crystal to it. And in
the case where we had the closed study done, we received the
growth of cells in that closed study which appeared, to me to be
neural cells, and organized neural cells, to the point where we
could actually tell morphologically that there was an A-B-A-B
pattern which was developing. I wouldn’t say that I was in a
panic, but [glances right]...
Marcia is nodding her head
rapidly, off the camera.
I was in a near panic to cease the study then and there so
that we weren’t accidentally producing something with sentience.
D: Not my right. That would have been an abomination of some
variety. I don’t practice, the tools of science devoid of moral
considerations. Some, nowadays, I think, have no problem, no
compunction against that. I do. So the study was ceased
immediately and the cells were photographed. Yes, we have the
photographs of them. But the study was ceased and it was killed
K: OK. Well, this is really kind of earth-shaking information
that you’ve got here, and...
D: [nods head yes] Uh huh. Very humbling.
K: ...I’m getting it in a way that I understand that makes it
K: Thank you, Dan. That was quite... quite enlightening.