Kentucky, November 2006
Duncan OíFinioan was the Ultimate
Warrior... brainwashed, conditioned and controlled as part of a
MKULTRA program called PROJECT TALENT. From a
thousand others trained as child warriors in 1966, he is now, he
believes, the only one of 20 left alive to tell the story.
In his powerful and compelling testimony for the camera Ė one of the
most extraordinary we have ever heard Ė Duncan describes:
His mission to ďterminateĒ the
very drunk, future President of the United States...
His dizzying enhanced physical
and psychic abilities... including the abilities to hurl
someone across the room with his mind, and walk through a
How he and 11 other children
were flown to Cambodia to deliver a targeted death blow to
all the surrounding Khmer Rouge troops... using only the
combined power of their minds
How his right arm is ďhardwiredĒ
and is capable of astonishing speed and strength
His struggle to regain his
memory, aided by a car accident which led to the discovery
of a cranial implant uncovered by an MRI machine...
deactivating the implant and causing the MRI machine to
His role as a programmed
assassin, targeting Americans under the command of an
The selection, torture, and
brutal training process that he endured... and which
children are undergoing to this day
Twenty years later, Duncan (who is of
mixed Cherokee and Irish blood) comes forward to tell the truth
about the Ultimate Warrior project: how he was chosen, groomed and
tortured into becoming the perfect fighting machine, combining
physical superiority with the extraordinary mental abilities of a
Fearless, principled, and determined to regain control
over his life, Duncan OíFinioan tells his story in detail.
Transcript of the Video
Warrior - Robert Duncan O'Finioan
El Ultimo Guerrero - Robert Duncan O'Finioan
Start of interview
Kerry Cassidy: Letís back up
and find out exactly how you got into this program.
D: They wanted people who were half Native American and
half Celtic. Whether it be Scottish, Irish, didnít matter as
long as it was Celtic. The reason for that is the Native
Americans and the Celtic are two of the races on the Earth that
are more superimposed to paranormal ability or psi-ability.
As a matter of fact both of these cultures practice paranormal
ability. So itís kind of genetic memory. Itís in our genetic
memory. Ok. I thought that was basically what it was until about
two years ago when I found out that my father was a CIA Agent.
My father has been dead now for almost 15 years. I never had a
clue. But with that new information it made a lot of smaller
tidbits of information and a lot of things that happened in the
past, now it all fits.
Ok. Basically what happened with me was
in 1966 I was 6 years old and both of my parents loaded me up in
a trunk and took me to town. It was a dark cold snowy; Iíll
never forget the day, Ok, because it stands out. Why are we
going into a hardware store this late in the afternoon? So we go
into the store and at that time my mom and day arenít fighting
but they arenít getting along.
And, I have been in the store
several times with my grandfather and weíd go into the back, I
never been in the back and thereís a door there and if you
didnít know it was there youíd walk right by it and so we go in
and hereís 6 or 7 other kids about my age, and they are all
sitting at these tables like kindergarten tables, sitting down
low in these small chairs and they all had the same things, they
looked like puzzle pieces. Well, this lady comes in that did not
Sheís tall, elegant, fur coat. This is Eastern Kentucky. This
donít happen. Alright. And she played a very prominent role from
there on. I have seen her in several of my memories. And she
sets me down to play. She gave me a stack of blocks. And what
they are are puzzle pieces. And she says ďI want you to make me
a pictureĒ and walked off. So, I looked around for my mom and
she is with a guy there who is in a suit who again should not be
there and he had a clipboard sheís signing some papers.
years old, I was puzzled, but you donít think much of it. So, I
sit there and I start taking these puzzle pieces and said ďthis
fits, this fits, this donít fitĒ. And, Iím going: this is making
a picture, and I sit back. The lady walks up to the front, the
guy walks up behind me. She looks at him and smiles and says
ďWeíve got oneĒ and thatís when it started. I was given
something to drink, I remember feeling sleepy, and thatís it.
K: So, are you saying, did you go home with your parents?
D: No, I did not.
K: I see.
D: I was taken directly. This is what I found out later. Because
once I went to sleep with whatever was in the drink, Kool-aid,
soda, or whatever, put me out. My next memory was at 9 and Ĺ
K: So, you have a blank in your memory right now.
D: Mm hm, yeah. Now, I have some memories have come back and I
have bits and pieces of what happened during all of that, some
very vivid, some I have documentation, some are just memories
that are there. Umm, and, then from there.
K: So, at nine years old, why do you remember nine years old,
what happened then?
D: Because I was had taken a stint at the local hospital,
hospital here, University of Kentucky. They did some type of
procedures that no-one ever has really been able to explain to
me. Even as an adult I tried to get the records, and no-one will
release those records to me. And, from there I had couple of
years as a kid where everything seemed ok, lot of paranormal
activity going on and all that and then at 14 Iím gone again.
K: Gone to the hospital?
D: No, gone, memories gone.
K: Oh, Ok, so, so looking back though, you basically feel that
you were trained as a soldier during that time?
K: Could you describe some of the training to us?
D: The easiest way to do that is to back up for one second.
D: Imagine Project Talent, the people in Project Talent being
sent to school. Ok, when weíre in elementary school weíre all
taught the same thing. Ok, thatís where the martial arts
training was started. I have vivid memories of 15 20 of us in a
group with adults and they trained us as adults. There was no
kids gloves. Ok. Six, Seven years old, eight years old you got
your butt kicked off. I mean they beat you tremendously, but you
K: Mm hm.
D: Once you, and the paranormal training started as well. Thatís
where they were weaning who is good at that, who is good at
this, whoís going to be a solider, whoís going to be a psychic
K: You have at this time, certain, umm, like a black belt in
D: Even after I continued on, I took classes on my own, started
a couple of studios. I hold a fifth degree black now,
legitimately a fifth degree black.
K: In the real world, so to speak?
D: Right, right.
K: You also said something in an interview I read that said
something about remembered when you started teaching karate.
This is how you triggered some earlier memories of all this.
D: Mm hm, right. There was one incident in particular. I have a
friend of mine who is an ex-marine beret. And he was more than a
regular, he would come in and work out with me when he was home
on leave or those kinds of things. And, he we was sparring one
night and he was a big raw boned guy, you know he was going to
want to barrow my path with not sweating. So, weíre sparring and
I did a technique that when he came up off the floor heís angry
bamboozled. ďWhere did you learn that?Ē And, it hit me, I donít
have a clue, where did I learn that?
He said that came straight
off the farm. Iím only 19 years old. The farm? What are you
talking about? Cattle farm? The pig farm? I didnít have a clue
and he said the CIA Training Facility, The Farm. And those
things started clicking. Ok. And, when I really started getting
memories back was about 8, 9 years ago when I had an automobile
accident and it ruptured three discs in my neck. And, when they
finally gave me the MRI, the electromagnetic resonance didnít
mesh with the cranial implant.
K: That you had gotten?
D: Somewhere, somehow, I have a cranial implant. And, I say this
because I have it on film. And, when they put me in the MRI
machine, when they turned it on, when it started to spin, Ok.
D: Imagine tremendous pain. Also imagine youíre in there and you
see a thousand TV screens and they come at you at once. On each
one of those TV screens is a picture. Each picture is a memory
and it just kept coming, coming, coming.
K: Thatís amazing.
D: Thatís how I started to get total memory again.
K: And now, I donít know was this also correct, you were
screaming and the MRI blew up?
D: The machine itself caught on fire. Thatís what brought me out
of it. Because Iím there in nothing but my underwear and a gown
holding my head screaming bloody murder and I notice smoke ok,
and the techs come out, the nurses come out and they want to do
all this and they are getting me out of there, they start the
fire extinguishers and all that.
K: Now, do you still have the cranial implant to this day?
D: Itís still there. Itís just, from what I understand itís not
K: What makes you think itís not working?
D: Because I havenít been used anymore. I havenít had a black
out spell and be gone for three or four days or a week with no
memory. They stopped. This one is dead center dead center in the
brain. It looks like a grain of rice and itís just dead center
in the brain. Itís right there.
K: Itís that small?
D: Itís that small.
D: And I had it checked through independent sources and they
look at it. ďYou got a problem, thatís got to be removedĒ. Man,
youíre going to die. I say, no itís fine. I donít tell them what
it is. I just want to get there opinion Ė hear what theyíre
going to say. I donít say anything unless I have the proof or I
have someone else who is willing to sign a deposition saying
that they were there, they saw it, they know. If I donít have
proof, Iíll say, ďthis is what I thinkĒ.
K: Ok. So, back when you were a child and you go to the hospital
D: Mm hm.
K: Did you have something going on with your body that they
changed at that time? Do you know what happened?
D: I remember going through a procedure ok and I remember waking
up and the machine, and this would have been in 1969 and I
remember the machine was about the size of this table came with
a wrap and they were bringing it down on top of me and it would
get hot and I wasnít supposed to wake up I was supposed to be
drugged completely. Well, I woke up in the middle of it and I
remember being dozens of tubes laying to each side of me where
they had been plugged in one at a time. Now, what happened? I
K: Now, did you have uncommon strength or were you, you know,
did you notice drastic changes in your outlook towards reality?
I mean at 14 this was probably hard to tell. But, you know as
time went on, do you think that youíve developed at a different
rate than some other children because of some of this?
D: Yeah, I think so. I have always been stronger, faster; more
endurance than anybody around and that is also the same with all
of us that came out of these projects. That is part of the super
soldier structure. They want the super soldier to be just that
super - beyond normal, faster, stronger, more endurance, pain
tolerance, etc. etc. on and on and on. Thatís what they want.
K: So, can you tell us what abilities you have at the peak of
your performance if you want to call it that? What do you think
you were capable of?
D: Physical ones, yeah, I kept. The paranormal abilities Ė I
have kept some. The main paranormal abilities come out when the
ultimate personality comes out. Thatís one of the things that
they did to us was to give us ultimate personality. We were
trained in the ultimate personality. I have witnesses that saw
me bust heavy bags with one punch. Youíre not supposed to be
able to do that. I was measured for punching power speed and
everything at Burlington, Wisconsin at a facility up there that
is no longer there that did all the testing for the pro sports,
for football teams and all that. My punching power, at this time
was my weight - 175 pounds.
K: And, when are we talking? How many years ago or what year,
D: In 1984, in the spring of 1984. And, the testing came out as
unreal. My punching power was heavier, stronger than that of a
super heavyweight boxer. My kicking power and speed was even
more than that. My kicks in my right leg were 120 mph. My
punching power was well over 18 to 1950 foot pounds. Thatíll
bust concrete blocks.
K: Ok, now in terms of your physic ability, what were those
D: My primary physic abilities are the ones that I have kept in
this personality is being able to get in someoneís mind, being
able to foresee what events in real time and when I mean get in
someoneís mind I donít mean read their mind, read their
thoughts, hear their thoughts. Itís more of what some people
that I work with now call picting. We see pictures of their
thoughts. Like, you may be thirsty thinking about a soda. Iíll
look at you and Iíll see a Pepsi can. Thatís what would happen.
And, these types of abilities to a fighter, a soldier, or an
assassin, think of the edge that gives that person.
K: So, do you have absolute recall of times when youíre in the
other personality now?
D: I have witnesses to that, yeah.
D: You see, what happened, is Iím not supposed to remember
anything right now. Ok.
K: I imagine.
D: The people who start to remember are usually late 50ís early
60ís. Ok, much too old to really do anything, but Iím not saying
60ís old, but in this society by the time youíre 60, 62 anywhere
in there, people write you off.
K: So how old are you now because I canít tell?
D: 46. Iím 46.
K: Uh huh.
D: Everybody says that you donít look 46, thatís one of the
other traits that we have.
K: The longevity?
D: Most of the people who start getting their memories back,
when they get there memories back are the ones whose
personalities begin to mesh. They are no longer personality A,
personality B anymore. They start going together. So, when all
these other memories start coming in meshing with the other
memories, they go nuts.
K: Most of the people?
D: Yes. Most of these people commit suicide. Ok, and the ones
who didnít wind up in asylums.
Bill Ryan: Is it possible, Duncan, that a lot of these people
are programmed to commit suicide?
Bill Ryan: To kind of self destruct when they are no longer
K: So, you sort of beat the system in a certain sense?
K: You must have had struggles. So whatís keeping you going?
What do you think has allowed you to sort of maintain?
D: After the car accident, we moved from this area. We moved to
upstate New Jersey. I was never supposed to lift anything over
five pounds again. I was to never supposed to be able to hold my
arms above my head again. Thatís how serious the accident was.
Two o'clock in the morning Iím sitting in my apartment in New
Jersey and this little voice comes in. ďWhat the Ö. is your
problem? Whatís wrong with you? You wimp. You going to give up?
Youíve been a fighter all your life? Get up and fight. I started
doing push ups that night. A year later, Iím fine.
K: So you basically brought yourself back from your injuries?
D: The injury is still there. I can go to a neurologist right
now and let him do an x-ray and theyíll look at me and say that
I need to be in surgery today, but I refuse to go. The pain is
still there. I live with pain 24/7 and, again, if this hadnít
happened been done to me as a kid, yeah, Iím probably taking
pain pills on a regular basis.
K: But, youíre not.
D: I take nothing.
K: Now, Iím curious because you have this tattoo on your arm. It
actually looks kind of beautiful. Is this something that you got
D: No, this was supposed to be one of a kind, my design.
D: This was something that came to me in a dream actually.
D: And , I designed it, and..
K: Is that a dragon?
D: Itís a dragon. I had a tattoo artist do it for me and it
stayed one of a kind for a couple of years and all of sudden I
started seeing it out. She does have her work on a website. And,
Iím walking in a Wal-Mart across the street of all places about
six months ago and that is on the front cover of a paper back
K: And, you designed it?
D: And I designed it.
K: Wow, cool. Itís very nice. So, what happened in Vietnam,
because you have a really amazing story about that?
D: I was in North Vietnam twice that I know of. Some of these
areas are still murky because like I said I keep finding out
more things everyday.
D: Once when I was twelve years old. Ok. I know people say it
was 1972 you were in Vietnam, it was 1972. Actually it wasnít
Vietnam, it was Cambodia. We werenít supposed to be in Cambodia.
A Navy Seal Team and a Marine Corps recon Team were pinned down
by the Cambodia Khmer Rouge. They called in for reinforcements
for somebody to get them out. And, Iím telling you exactly what
a Marine Corps recon Captain and a Navy Seal Captain told me.
Now, I have my own memories of it, but I saw it from my point of
view. Iím going to tell you from their point of view. One black
helicopter, Huey, lands, 12 kids come off the chopper. Yeah,
there are still a couple of things. [emotional...]
K: Take your time. We have all the time in the world. I can
D: I know. Long story short...
[Long pause, very emotional now]
We came off of the chopper, formed a semi circle, and we all
held hands. There was Ö
K: Were they all boys?
K: Were they all around the same age?
D: Yeah, I was the oldest.
K: So, all around the age of twelve?
D: Anywhere between the age of nine and twelve. I was team
leader. We held hands, raised our arms, and killed them all.
K: Who did you kill?
D: Every Khmer Rouge soldier within twenty miles.
K: How is it that your powers were able to target the other side
D: I wasnít the... I was like the lead battery, but I wasnít the
one who did the target.
K: You didnít actually aim your power? You guys were the power.
D: Someone else did the aiming.
K: Was it the kids that did the aiming or one of the other kids?
D: One of the other kids.
K: Oh yeah, ok.
K: Now, did you know the other kids?
D: I know one right now.
K: Now is this person willing to come forward or not?
D: Not this one, no.
K: Are they even aware that they are one of them?
K: Are they?
K: Wow. Well, we really appreciate that youíre sharing this with
us, because this is obviously a huge thing and people never
really like talking about the sort of negative side of the
powers of the mind but obviously this is one of the applications
and thereís really no reason to hide it.
D: Itís not that.. Itís funny. I did a lot of things that were
not of my doing, not of my making. Some of them bring out an
emotional response, some donít. Some are kind of like ďso what?Ē
and some I have no control and I go through this little
emotional, and then Iím fine with it. I canít cry on command.
Believe me I tried (laughs). But, the way it was explained to
me, it makes perfect sense.
Twelve kids, imagine twelve
batteries connected. You have one battery, you might get
nothing. Add two, you get a jolt. Add three, you get a burn. Add
twelve, and get electrocuted. Thatís basically what we did. The
twelve of us linked and joined up through everything, kind of a
semi-circle... starting from the center, because I was in the
center. Like this (illustrates with his hands)... out. Thatís
K: And this was something you guys were obviously trained to do.
Do you have a memory at all? Has anything come back of your
D: Remember that lady at the hardware store? Yeah, she figured
very prominently when I was young. The next memory I have of her
is in a lab coat. And Iím in this house. Itís been described to
me as a mansion, and I have a couple of ideas where this place
is or was, but I have no proof. There is a... Iím in a hallway,
and thereís green and white tile, just huge, 12 x 12, these 12 x
12 tiles on the floor.
And Iím doing something that all of us
that come out of this has the same trait. We donít come down on
one knee or anything like that Ė we squat. It makes no sense in
some ways, but in some ways to us it does. We squat on the balls
of our feet with the arms out loose. Itís almost like an animal.
About ten feet away I have a small water bucket. And what Iím
doing is raising the bucket, trying to turn it over, and set it
K: Raising it with your mind or with your hands?
D: Correct, just with my mind.
K: I see.
D: And what Iím doing is raising it, turning it about half way,
and itís just dropping. Iím not getting it and I look around and
this lady is behind me with her clipboard taking notes, and I
tried to get a response trying to be nice: ďI almost got it, I
almost got it,Ē and she basically just looks down and snarls and
walks off. There was nothing nice about any of this.
K: So, ok, you said you were in Vietnam twice that you
remembered. What was the second time?
D: The second time, all I remember is being shot down. We were
taking off in a Black Hawk. Iím sorry, not a Black Hawk, that
was another incident. A Huey, and we got about ten feet off the
ground and we took some anti aircraft fire and we went down and
this navy seal captain that we talked about was the one that
pulled me out of the chopper.
K: And this guy is the witness that you said that is witness to
the Vietnam incident with the kids?
K: And he was in charge of? Where was he at the time?
D: The easiest way to tell you about this guy Ė His whole family
was in the CIA. Ok. He was one of the most decorated and had one
of the best kill records in Vietnam. His abilities as a sniper
were unparallel. And, at the same time, he was also a sailboat
captain because he pulled I think five or seven tours in
K: He wasnít messed with as you were?
D: He does have some memories but not to the extent that I was
or some of the other guys.
K: So, how did you guys hook up?
D: When I started getting my memories back I started looking for
K: Because you remembered from the age of twelve who he was?
D: Yes. I remembered his face and I knew being what he was he
was only going to be in certain circles and so I started
frequenting those circles and I finally found him and we sat
down at dinner at a casino and started trading stories and that
Bill Ryan: Is he willing to come forward on record?
D: He is yes.
Bill Ryan: Would you recommend him?
D: Yes, absolutely.
K: So, can you tell us a little bit more? I imagine you were a
D: Yes, but not the best.
K: So you were physically trained, you were mentally very
astute. What was your title? In other words you said some were
psychic spies some were warriors.
D: My problem and Iíve been told this by some very strong sides,
I fight the physic abilities. I donít just let them flow, I
fight them for whatever reason I block them myself. For whatever
reason I block them myself. I graduated from Project Talent.
K: How old were you then?
D: This would have been mid to late teens. I was turned into a
soldier, a solider with psi abilities. As I said I wasnít one of
those people who could tell you that was put in the pitch black
room and could tell you what some politician 4,000 miles away
was having for breakfast. I know some people, who were, but I
wasnít. I know some people who were, but I wasnít.
K: Now, did you know
D: That name does ring a bell. Iíve been asked that before, but
I just canít say for sure.
K: So, where were you based, do you think? You werenít based in
D: No. No. I have memories of being in several different
training facilities. I do know I spent three years on St.
Thomas, on the island of St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands, and
that was verified to me about three years ago. Iím going around
seeing people, and theyíre looking at me saying I havenít seen
you since you were a kid.
K: I guess what Iím saying is that after they trained you, where
did they use you? Do you have any idea?
D: After ĎNam, I do have some vivid memories of a couple of
assassinations that were carried out. I have memories of being
on military bases and I had it verified that I was at Norfolk
Station, Norfolk, Virginia by a radar man who was stationed
there when I was with a team. And he contacted me because he saw
my picture, and he told me things as fact that happened that I
thought were just dreams/memories and he was telling me this
without me telling him anything.
K: Were you an assassin?
D: Yes, I was.
K: How did you assassinate people and what kind of people would
you be assassinating? Do you have any idea? Were they people in
K: Were they Americans?
D: Some, yes. One, that I remember vividly because it was the
last one, the last time I ever did anything for the government,
was in D.C. and I put three rounds through the heart of a very
high intelligence official.
K: Do you have a conscious memory of this?
D: This one, I do. I never knew the name. I was given a photo, a
target, habits. Do the job, thatís it.
K: Do you remember any operations taking place in any other
D: Yes, France.
K: In France?
K: Thatís interesting.
D: What the vivid memory I have, and I was also shown a
photograph of me sitting in a little cafť by the Eiffel Tower. I
have no knowledge at that time of me being in France, but the
guy shows me 8 x 10 black and white photo and there I am
drinking something out of a cup with steam coming out of it. I
remember doing a job, but I donít remember what it was about.
decoy was sent in and what the lady was to do was to get the guy
to come out of the bar hopefully not exactly in his right mind Ė
inebriated if possible and my job was to snatch, grab, get the
information and then terminate. I remember doing the snatch,
grab and the memory fades from there.
K: Now, you must see movies, right?
D: No, I donít. I canít.
K: Thereís a lot of violence in movies, a lot of scenes and that
sort of thing, and I was wondering if that might trigger some of
D: They do. I love wrestling. As a matter of fact, I used to
incorporate professional wrestling techniques into my teaching
when I was an instructor. Itís not the violence per se. The last
movie I tried to watch of that nature was the Bourne Identity. I
couldnít get half way through it. I just do a total change.
K: Ok, you see your personality does a change?
D: My personality changes and God help whoever Iím watching the
movie with and I usually get up and walk away. Sci-Fi movies
donít bother me but anything concerning government black
operations, CIA, NSA, covert killings, I canít do it.
K: Do you have any remembrance of other planets? I know this
sounds a little out there.
D: No, actually, not. There is one thing that a couple of us
share and that is a deep fear and dread of the planet Mars.
Bring up the planet Mars to us and itís just like watching one
of those movies. There is something about Mars, that changes our
entire attitude at that time. I know one person who point blank
says to better leave Mars alone. Leave it alone.
K: Meaning leave it alone: donít talk about it or donít go
D: To not go because they are waking something up.
K: On Mars?
D: Mm hm.
K: Are you still a psychic?
K: So you must have some thoughts or associations with Mars. Are
you willing to talk about that because I know that you said that
you develop headaches sometimes after some of these talks where
you reveal and go back in time in your mind as to your
D: Iím having a good one right now. Headaches are part of the
conditioning. Itís a fake headache; itís a programmed headache.
K: Iíd like to know if you have seen any special machinery?
D: Yes, itís underground.
K: Have you seen any certain kind of beings there?
D: Yes, they are in stasis.
Bill Ryan: Like a kind of artificial induced hibernation?
D: Yes (nodding), thank you.
K: Itís not humans that are in that state?
K: Itís the beings?
D: And, they are very tall and they have long features.
K: Do they look like Egyptians?
D: Yes. Quite a bit.
K: You talk a lot about anger in the recent interview you gave
on your site?
K: Can you tell us a little about that, describe that and how
you deal with it?
D: At one time it was pure rage. When these memories came back
and I sat down and started putting together all the things that
started when I was 6 years old and the things that was done to
me, what I was forced to do, it was pure rage. My first impulse
was to go to DC and just go nuts. Ok. Well, as the old saying
goes, Iím crazy but not stupid, and as a fighter I was trained
channel your anger, donít let your anger channel you and thatís
what I started doing. So, instead of being so mad that I canít
do anything, I turned that anger into being so mad that I want
to do something and I stayed that way.
K: So, is that why you started writing books?
D: No, actually I started writing, as kind of my own therapy
just to get it out and I never wrote anything and someone read
some of it and said that it was pretty good, you need to keep it
up, so I did.
K: You have a book coming out, is that right?
D: Yes, Deadly Awakening. Itís about everything weíve been
talking about here plus all the side streets that we donít have
time to go up. Itís supposedly going to be turned into a movie
and that totally caught me off guard.
K: Well thatís wonderful; thatís very exciting.
Bill Ryan: In terms of telling your story to a wider audience
what would you like to see result from that?
D: Iíd like to see enough people wake up, march on Washington,
and say these projects and hold the people accountable. Thereís
not going to be class action lawsuits. Thereís not going to be
prosecution. Thatís fine, I got over that years ago. Everybody
else involved needs to get over that. Just hold them accountable
and get it stopped.
Bill Ryan: Do you think this is still going on today?
D: Yes, absolutely I do.
Bill Ryan: Do you have any idea in one form these projects are
continuing? They said in the 60ís there were about a thousand
kids and there are only about 60 left?
D: In 1966 there were supposed to have been 1000 kids taken that
were in my group. There are only about 20 of us left now. I
think what I have to explain. We were actually at 6, 7 years old
put into survival defense. Our personalities were split. Any
normal kid, any normal person would not do the things we did in
their right frame of minds. So, they had to split our
personalities and they had a clean slate with that new
personality, had no rhyme, no reason, no right, no wrong, no
concept so they made it into what they wanted it to be.
how they split my personality. Now, I donít know, Iím sure they
did the same identical thing to other people, but I know for a
fact not to each one. There were different techniques for
different kids. How they described it to me when I was a kid was
ďThese were your treatmentsĒ, almost medical terminology.
Imagine being six years old... and the funny thing is I can
describe this with very little emotion because it happened to
me, not something I did. Youíre strapped naked to a wooden
chair, arms out like this, youíre strapped, here, here and here.
Your fingertips are spread open and things are inserted here so
you canít do this (moving hand and fingers over table) and I
know you noticed because I saw it in your minds and I saw it in
your eyes, I have a phobia about my fingertips. What they did
was they inserted needles underneath the fingertips. Thatís bad
enough, hook those needles up to an electric current and turn it
Water-boarding is where you basically drown the person and
bring then back them back and in my case they did it two ways,
strapped to a chair and they took a water hose and sprayed it at
you until you couldnít breath and then theyíd bring you back and
I remember having my head dunked. Thatís why I donít swim.
K: Now, what would be the purpose of that?
D: To cause pain - intense pain. What happens when the body and
the psychic goes through the amount of pain that it can
tolerate, you black out, you pass out, you faint. Well, the
Germans brought over a drug with them. Once injected it blocks
those receptors. You canít black out, you canít even force
yourself to faint. So, once the psychic gets to a point where it
canít take any more you have two choices, split off into another
personality, you save yourself or die.
K: Ok, I understand, when the pain becomes too much the way
youíre able to survive and stay together mentally is actually to
go someplace else?
K: And you go so far someplace else that youíre actually
creating another personality?
D: Exactly, you create a totally separate individual to where
they can pull out that ultimate personality and one second Iím
me and next second Iím somebody else. Now, Iím back to me.
Thatís how they wanted you.
K: Have you seen The Manchurian Candidate?
K: You never saw that?
K: Ok, well, if I refer to it, youíll know what I mean?
D: Yeah. I know what the Manchurian Candidate is, yeah.
K: You know what itís about, ok. Is it possible that you could
be activated by a phone call today?
D: The last time that I did a job, thatís what it was, I got a
phone call in the middle of the night.
K: Can be activated now?
donít think so. They burnt the chip out.
K: Ok, do you think itís a tone, or words? Do you have any idea
what it is? Is it music?
D: I think itís a combination and I think itís more than one. In
order to open a combination safe you got to have a combination
which is more than one number, so I think what they did, they
set up... you have to have a system of checks, balances, and
fail-safes to where if youíre watching TV and all of sudden you
hear the correct word or whatever you freak out and kill
everybody, and then you would start seeing this happening
everywhere, so there has to be a failsafe to keep that from
happening so Iíve always thought that itís a combination of
words, tones, numbers, what have you.
What happened during this
night is I went to bed, my wife and I were in bed, the phone
rings, I reach over to pick it up and put it to more my ear, no
more than three seconds passed I hang the phone up, I get up get
dressed and I leave. Iím gone three days and three nights and at
that time we lived exactly eleven miles from the airport that
you guys passed coming here. When I came back three days later
there was only 22 additional miles on the car. I went to the
K: But you have no memory of where you went?
D: I went to DC and did a termination job on this individual.
K: What year was that?
K: So, this was quite a while ago.
D: Yeah. And, hereís something Iíll tell you guys that I didnít
want put on the tape. Iím sitting in a Mexican restaurant, a
very nice two story Mexican restaurant, and I hear somebody
laughing. This was before the president now was the governor of
Texas. I look over and there was George Junior sitting at the
bar with the secret service bodyguards, drunk as a skunk with
the secret service trying to get him to calm down. Now, thatís
when I snapped awake. I donít remember driving there... and Iím
looking around, and Iím: Where the hell am I at, and but yet
there he is and I had one impulse Ė kill him. Terminate. And I
had a gun in my pocket. And for whatever reason I fought the
impulse down and I didnít kill him.
K: In other words, you remember who he is now but you didnít
know who he was?
D: At that time I didnít have a clue who he was. I was sitting
there sometime later and Iím watching the news where it said
that Governor Bush placed his bid for the presidency and Iím
looking at him thinking ďHoly...Ē.
Bill Ryan: Was this before he became president?
Bill Ryan: I got it.
D: Years before.
Bill Ryan: So, in that context, maybe it makes even more sense?
D: Yes, and it makes it more scarier.
K: What about underground bases? You think you ever been in an
underground base? Have you ever been in any underground bases?
D: I know where one is, right here in the state. When I was in
my mid to late, mostly late teens, that I remember, the
farmhouse that we lived on was situated in a valley and there
were old logging roads that went all around the valley. I had a
good five-mile run up and down the mountains on a good graded
road. There were also some worked out strip mines over to the
southeast of there. One day Iím running up through there and I
decide to drop down over the hill to have a look around.
as I do I feel the vibrations in the ground and I drop down and
I put my ear down near the ground the way that my grandfather
taught me how to do and I get up and this little voice says ďget
the hell out of hereĒ and as Iím running back up the hill a
chopper lands. I didnít go back anymore, but a couple days later
two things happened at once. My father had a friend. His name
was Paul Preston. Paul Preston was somebody and is still
somebody who Iíd terminate with extreme prejudice. I donít care
to say that. When I was fourteen we weíre getting ready to work
the fields, we had a cash farm and I was working on a tractor.
We lived about a mile up off the dirt road off the main road and
I could sense a vehicle coming up the road before it was half
way up. I stop and I look out and I could see this grayish
silver van coming up into the driveway, brand new with a UHF
antenna on top. I never seen anything like this. Again this is
Kentucky in the mid 70ís, nobody had that kind of money, this
was before the coal boom, before the energy crisis, before
people made twenty bucks an hour, people were lucky to make
Ok. And this guy gets out of this van and I
noticed it had Texas tags. I had heard my dad talk about this
guy, that they were childhood friends and then this was
confirmed to me later on that they were in the CIA together and
that Paul Preston was station chief in more than one area. He
gets out of the van, calls me by name. I never met the guy
before to my knowledge and in that instance I had two thoughts,
one was to run, because this guy was bad news, this guy was
dangerous, run, the other was to take him out Ė kill him before
he kills you.
I was only fourteen years old, my hair was longer
than it is now and my dad comes down from the house, and they do
the handshakes, slap on the back, huggy huggy and all this kind
of stuff. Mr. Preston looks at my dad gets real serious, says we
got to talk. My dadís demeanor changes so they go away for about
twenty minutes and during this time, I got the tool chest, Iím
trying to get the tractor going, spring plow, all that kind of
stuff. Twenty, thirty minutes later Paul Preston comes back down
from house, he isn't talking to me then, heís in a bad mood,
gets in the van and leaves.
I barely saw my dad the rest of that
day cause itís early morning, itís still cool. You donít want to
be around him for the rest of the day, he was a real ticked off
Irishman. Well that night ok, my mom had a habit of sitting on
the front porch at night and I slept upstairs. She came in that
night about ten or eleven oíclock screaming at my dad that there
was something above the house and by the time he went out it was
gone and I could hear the whole conversation. She said it was
bigger than the house was round and had lights all around it. I
didnít know nothing about UFOís. I knew nothing about that. I
knew farming, martial arts, I knew how to fight, track, hunt,
etc. etc. I knew nothing about that. So, the next night this
The third day, something happens to me. All the
time, I work and I train I work and I train. I worked out harder
than I had ever done before. I think the reason being was to go
to bed early, because thatís exactly what I did, I went to bed
early. That night, I go to bed, I was laying there, I donít know
how long, but I feel like Iím on fire, when I snapped awake, I
canít move. All I can do is open my eyes, the whole upstairs is
full of light and I can see a five pedal figure standing by the
I can see a head, I can see the arms, I can see the legs,
and thatís it and I know itís talking to me, itís telling me
something and the next thing I know my daddy is shaking my
shoulders with my brothers because saw the light and they
thought the upstairs was on fire. Thatís all I remember. I donít
remember anything again until Iím almost eighteen.
K: Meaning no memories from the age of fourteen and the age of
D: Right. I didnít have my driverís license until I was almost
eighteen. Should have had them when I was sixteen. I didnít get
them until I was almost eighteen because I wasnít around to get
K: Do you remember what the being looked like other than two
arms, two legs?
D: Thatís all I could see, a torso, two arms, two legs, and a
head, not an oval shaped head, but a head shaped head, a normal
shaped head. Iíd estimate about six feet tall, it was white as
well, but a paler shade of white in the rest of the room. I
think all of these go together, the visit of Paul Preston, the
craft over the house, and in my leaving again all go together.
K: And your fatherís anger perhaps?
D: Yeah, I think he may have thought for whatever reason I was
clear of it and for whatever reason Paul Preston came by and
said no. I donít think he had a choice in the matter. The only
anger I had with them is not coming out and telling me something
especially after Iím an adult and Iím starting to get memories
back and Iím asking what gives? I know this wasnít what happened
something wasnít right. I think I deserved more of an answer
than ďCanít tell youĒ and then leave.
The first thing I did when
I got my memories back was I started looking up old friends.
And, I would ask them during this year, 73, 74, 75 where were
we, what were you doing? I have memories of doing things and
everyone of them to a T were ďwe were out doing thisĒ. ďI
remember thatĒ and they would go ďhow could you, you werenít
hereĒ. And one guy even went so far to say ďwe went up to the
farm to pick you up one day to see if you wanted to go away, we
hadnít heard from you and your dad ran us off.Ē Those were from
what I had of those years were false memories. The memories I
had of camping, going to Diary Queen, you know that kind of
thing were implanted.
K: So, you also said in your writing that you have one of your
arms is wired?
D: The right one. Yes, the implant is right here (points to
upper right shoulder blade area). I know itís there for two
specific reasons, one I had a guy put a meter over it and had it
found that way and two, it itches and what it is, I call it an
enhancer it increases physical strength and speed there are like
wires that run from it to the fingers and itís only in this
shoulder, itís not body wise.
This is the hand and the arm that
I busted many heavy bags with. As a matter of fact there was an
incident where I grabbed a guy who was a good 40 pounds heavier
than me straight up off his feet and when I realized what I had
done, it just dropped. I donít know the science of how itís tied
in, I really donít, but I know itís tied in with the
fight/flight scenario when there is danger, it kicks in, if feel
threatened it kicks in. The throwing of energy, yeah, that one
freaked me out when it happened. I had a job in Lexington, the
place at that time was called The Community Kitchen. It was no
kitchen. What it was was a facility for homeless, indignant,
that kind of thing.
We had doctorsí offices, we had social
service offices, showers, clothing, all that, but it was also a
haven for pushers, users, abusers, rapists, killers, you name
it, they came in there. We could have had sixty to a hundred
people in the facility at one time and I was chief of security
and we had a fight that broke out and it was nothing, we had
three or four fights a day, ok, but we had two girls get into
it. They fight worse than men, ok. and my partner had one
holding her down, I was holding the other one down and when I
say holding them down, I was just sitting there with one arm on
She was laughing about it. The next thing I know,
I look up and I see this extremely large man standing over top
of me and heís got three or four friends with him and heís
giving this routine, ďIím giving you to the count of whatever to
get off of her or Iím going to do thisĒ. Well, I snapped, Iím on
the ground, I look up, I see Iím outnumbered, outgunned. I
change. Normally I would have just rolled out of the way, got
up, started cussing right back at him, throw him out the door,
but no, I stood up and hit him and the witnesses there said I
hit him not once, but twelve times in the matter of a second. It
broke his neck.
His neck was as big as my legs and it just
snapped his neck. Well, when that happened, the whole facility
went berserk. Half of them were coming at me and my partner and
the other half was using it as an excuse to get whoever they
didnít like and itís during these times that something happens
that I canít explain. It was like I stepped outside of space and
time, everything turned black and white; everything goes slow
motion. Itís like Iíve got all the time in the world to go from
point A to point B, because this guy isn't moving. Ok, and itís
like Iím just walking through, bam, bam, bam, guys going down
and then Iím grabbed.
This guy grabs me by the throat and I just
snapped sideways and threw my hands palm down, just threw them
down and screamed inside my mind. The guy goes up and back. I
never touched him. And when that happened that ended the entire
fight. Iím standing there and Iím looking around and Iím
suddenly aware that everybody was staring at me and sometime
during this time the cops have been called. So, here come the
cops, here come the ambulances, the paramedics, and I talked to
one of the cops to give a report.
Half of them are taken to the
hospital, the other half of them are barred out, some are taken
to jail. And I went to nearest bar I could find, and I sat there
because I didnít know what to do. I knew something had happened.
I knew it was real because people were saying coming up to me,
ďWhat did you doĒ? ďHow did you do that?Ē And I donít have an
answer for you. I donít know.
K: What year did that happen?
D: 1989 or 1990. Iím trying to. I worked so many jobs, during
that time, during those years, which is something else that Iíve
been told that is indicative of us that have come out of these
black operations. I know from personal experience it would be
the greatest thing since sliced bread for a couple of months and
then all of a sudden a boss or supervisor would come and find
something wrong and weíre fired. What I found out over the years
is thatís not unique to me. They want to keep you one step below
poverty level, keeps your mind occupied on other things.
K: Right, survival, daily survival so that you canít go further
into your own memories type of things.
D: And, thereís also another reason for that, and Iíve been told
this by more than one person. Who listens to somebody who is
broke? Everybody listens to someone who is wealthy and I think
those two go together to make that.
Bill Ryan: There is an incident which you also reported that you
described as a kind of personal teleportation incident where you
went through a wall and you had a witness.
D: Yes, absolutely.
Bill Ryan: What do you recall of that?
D: I get freaked out every time I think of that. It was at a
house in Oklahoma and I was helping a friend of mine move and I
was in the one bedroom and she was in the kitchen. For me to get
from the bed to the front door would entail going down, cutting
across, down, cutting across, a very windy way. Well as I said
she was in the kitchen straight line, kitchen, living room,
front door, no door in between, no wall in between. Well she was
reading and doing her own thing in the kitchen and Iím sound
asleep and her youngest son gets up screaming and goes to the
front door trying to get out.
Itís 2 or 3 o'clock in the
morning. She jumps up and starts to run to get him. I hear the
scream, I remember raising up on one shoulder, in the mind
seeing the kid reaching towards the door get out passed the
door. She said that I came out through the wall in front of her
and all she could do was to stop and say WHOA. And, I think
whatever I did, if I froze inside that wall, that would have
been fun. My grandfather, my momís mom, was a full blooded
Cherokee, and he gave me the name of grey feather and I asked
him once, I said ďPops, what does grey feather meanĒ? and he
said ďI was a between manĒ and he had an accent, and I asked him
what he means and he said ďyou walk between worldsĒ and this was
before I knew anything about anything.
I saw 911 two weeks
before it happened. I put it up on some bulletin boards on the
net and I was laughed at. I lived in Delaware at that time,
right on the eastern shore, walking distance to the beach. I had
a trip planned to Boston, couple of days before the trip cause
we were going to drive it, I get a phone call and itís the
metallic digitized voice and it says postpone your trip, two day
window plus or minus one day whether here or here, thereís going
to be something big in New York and you donít want to get caught
K: Now, have there been other premonitions that havenít come
D: Yeah, I have seen this country almost split in half, I mean
physically split in half. Again, I lived in Delaware, and I just
laid down, it was one of those times where one minute Iím here
and the next Iím here, and Iím here looking down on the United
States. This was before I knew about the supervolcano and all
this and that but I saw that area going up into Canada, coming
all the way into Mexico, the whole western part of the country
split off from the rest of the United States and what Iím seeing
is like a river of fire coming all the way down.
K: And did you have a time line for that?
D: Soon, very soon.
K: So are you making any plans for yourself and your family
because of what you are dreaming or seeing?
K: Are you finding a safe place?
D: There's really not going to be a safe place. The best
preparedness that I know of is to be able to be mobile. There is
no one safe place. I started to go public when I lived in
Delaware after an attempt was made on my life.
K: When was that approximately?
D: About 2002. I had other things that happened but nothing
where I had made any connection. Now, I make a connection. I was
out for a jog and it was in the wintertime and I hear a
motorcycle. Motorcycle? You ever been on the east coast in the
wintertime when the wind blows? Itís frigid. And Iím out jogging
and I hear a motorcycle and the ears go up, hair start standing
up and I go from a hard run to a light jog and I see the
motorcycle, solid black motorcycle, no insignia, just solid
black, two riders dressed in black with black opaque masks. Iím
going this way and they are going this way.
This thing is going
so slow, Iím trying to figure out how in the world is it staying
up and as it comes up to me, Iím running scenarios, Iím wearing
ankle and wrist weights, ok, Iím waiting to see a gun, so Iím
thinking this is coming off, this is going to throw, forward
roll, kick the back wheel, try to get an advantage. The guy does
open his coat, puts his hands in his coat - this is the rider.
All I see is two fingers, points them at me and goes like this
(firing of gun signaling with hand) and goes back.
this is just a warning, ok, and they slowly go on down the road
along route one to go north. I didnít make it ten steps, I had
to puke, bile, everything, I had to crawl home, I was sick for
three days, I finally went to the doctor and said I have had
some kind of unknown viral infection. He did shoot me... just
not with a gun.
Half the people who hear what I have to say look at it and say
what a lying stack of dung. This is so much BS, there is no way
any of this could happen, etc. etc. etc. Well, Iíll give a
response that I gave to a guy on a radio show one night. I wish
that were true, Iíd love to be able take a pill everyday and
have a nice life, but I canít because it did happen and I donít
have the whole story myself and I may never get it. What
happened to me, and I talked about the split personality, that
was just the tip of the iceberg, ok.
I remembered the beatings,
being thrown naked into a refrigerator, a refrigerator room,
because I couldnít get something right, but not just to me, but
to all of us in this particular group and this type of stuff
should not have happened. We consider ourselves to be a
civilized free society. Thereís nothing civilized about this,
thereís nothing free about this. There is strength in numbers. I
would like to see, I mean come on, you have a million man march
on Washington put together by somebody that the government
laughed at. Why couldnít we do the same thing? This stuff has
got to stop.
You know, people, like I said weíre supposed to
live in a civilized free society. We donít. When they can walk
in and take you as a child, turn you into a killer and then use
you abuse you and when they are done, throw you away and you
asked earlier what is the one thing I would like to see come of
this and any subsequent movies/videos or whatever.
I want to sit in a chair just like this in Washington, DC in
front of the full senate and demand answers.
Iíd do it in a heartbeat. I am not shy.