David: During the time that I was
having these extensive discussions with Antonio about the 26
boxes of the Illuminati which he told me were the good guys, and
I believed him at first, I was also - January 1996 - I started
to read the "Law of One" series,
the Ra materials. The source
calls itself Ra which is the name that they took on in Egypt.
They also in the Bible show up as the Cherubeum or the Carabeem,
these angels that protect the tree of life.
appears to have had an encounter with the Cherubeum which I
believe is an encounter with Ra.
And I said in our previous taping how there were two different
occasions when someone appeared to have been visited by some
type of energy or entity during a time that was auspiciously
timed when I had asked for that to happen. One was when this
woman had a reading and it said to her remember the giant,
cathedral and I said, yeah I was in a giant cathedral in my
dream about you and she started freaking out.
And the other one was with my brother where I was meditating and
I kind of started to fall asleep, and I see a UFO or what appears
to be a UFO. And I said now all I need to see is a ball of light
with an intelligent message, cause that's the other thing that I
always read about in these UFO books. And then my brother has
that happen to him... very powerful experience for him.
So there has been these times when it seems like there's a
direct connection. I'm reading this "Law of One" stuff in 1996
and it's explaining three years of very hard core research I was
doing, and it's like everything that I thought was an original
thought was already in this material.
However, the "Law of One" series is also cryptic. It's hard to
So, as a result, I kind of had to extrapolate further from what
framework was put in the "Law of One". And this went through
multiple... I mean I have been documenting my dreams for almost
15 years in a row... every single morning I write them down.
I generate about a hundred pages every month or more. It's an
unbroken transcript from 1992 onward, so there's a lot of
material in there. And a lot of this stuff would come down to
the point of like using Google as sort of like divination trying
to find information on the internet by knowing what you're
looking for, but being open to finding surprises.
It's interesting too, 'cause Edgar Cayce claimed that one of his
past lives was Pythagoras and the Illuminati/masons cite
Pythagoras as one of their main influences, because he basically
reconstituted the Atlantean knowledge that had been dispersed
throughout the world.
He traveled to India; he traveled to Tibet; he traveled all
around and basically got initiated in all these different secret
societies, and gathered their information and put it together.
And there was a whole Pythagorean secret school that he devised
and made a kind of unified version of this.
Of course more recently you have
Francis Bacon, who's sort of
the modern father of
Freemasonry and so forth, who kind of put
all this material together again. And of course the secret story
with Bacon is that he was the illegitimate son of queen
Elizabeth and was not allowed to be part of the royalty because
his father was not the king.
So he got banished by his mother when he found out what was
going on, and he felt very betrayed. That could partially
explain why the Masonic movement at the top level is very
anti-monarchical and ended up creating its own power system
outside conventional royalty and inheritance of power.
So anyway, yeah, it's not an easy subject for me to talk about
my own channeling. It's a lot easier for me to talk about
science because it's something I can prove; it's something I can
talk about. But what I can tell you is that if you do the work
on yourself, if you do spiritual work, you will get to a point
where you can start to experience the field of consciousness as
a direct personal thing and this is best done in deep
A lot of people are looking for some kind of placebo, some kind
of like take acid or you know, have the Hemi-sync tapes from
Monroe Institute, or the glasses you wear when you are asleep
and they shine color in your eyes. There's any number of gadgets
and gizmos out there and people want to short circuit the
process and gain immediate access to your higher self, well it
doesn't really work that way.
You can't just crash the gate, because it can be very damaging.
Your shadow self is what you have to move through to get to the
fruits of your higher self. The shadow is what guards the gate.
If you haven't done your shadow work, you're not going to be
able to see this information yourself.
As a result of that, and I shared some of this with you guys
privately, there's some really awful stuff that's happened to me
that I have never publicized which I all credit as part of my
initiation. And the purpose of it was really to make me a lot
stronger spiritually, so that I would not be susceptible to the
temptations of ego that come with being a public figure.
I've had a lot of people who want to lay on these projections to
me, messianic type of stuff because, you know, Edgar Cayce
supposedly was this Atlantean priest, Ra-Ta, who was like the
big kahuna back then. He became Ra who became the equivalent of
Jesus to the Egyptians.
And I've had a lot of people over the years come to lay their
hang-ups on me, but the problem with that is first of all, I
don't believe it. I believe that everyone here at this time is
awakening to their higher self and their potential. And the idea
of a singular messianic figure is very old world, patriarchal
It's completely implausible to, I mean even if it were possible,
it doesn't make sense, because we're moving into a world that is
non-hierarchical; we're moving into a world that is based more
on society, community. Centralized power structures are the old
way of doing things and that's what is showing so many flaws
Kerry: So, to get back to the Ra material, in a certain sense
what you seem to be verging on is an explanation of what it's
like to move from the third dimension into the fourth. Maybe you
can tie some of the transitions that... or insights that you've
gained about that to where the Earth is theoretically may be
David: I'm glad you brought that up. That's really a great
entree to some of the deeper material. Now you have to
understand that the level of treatment that I've given of this
"Law of One" philosophy so far is extremely superficial. And
that really is not a lack of my ability as it is a lack of time
and the depth and complexity of this material.
We are as a planet moving into what they call fourth density.
It's a density of what they call unconditional love on the
positive side, and on the negative side it's love of self. So,
you can have 4D positive and 4D negative. Some people are going
4D negative like some of these top Illuminati people.
You wouldn't really do that, because when you get there, if
you're a new graduate, you're at the bottom of the totem pole.
Everybody else is over you. And it's like being in the
hell-raising movies, as I've said before. Whereas the positive
4D, which is what the Earth is becoming... It's only in 3D is
what we have now that you can have openly negative and openly
positive entities live on the same planet.
As soon as you get above 3D, negative entities cannot live on an
already positive planet or a 5D positive planet. So, 4D is like
the heart chakra, OK. Well, people say what could be wrong with
There's a very big problem with unconditional love and that is
that's it not informed by wisdom which is the 5th chakra.
Unconditional love without wisdom is where a lot of people are
right now and they're having a lot of problems in marriages, in
relationships, in family in family interrelations, with our
government structure, because these people with these very open
hearts can be very easily manipulated and taken advantage of by
others. They don't have the strength of character to be able to
just say no... to be able to say this is my life, my space, this
is my body. You can't have it.
And that's one of the things that is very difficult about being
a public figure in spirituality, is that people see you as a
public figure as their family, as their... almost like their
property, so as people meet me then they just want to take me
out to dinner and they want to have these long conversations and
tell me their life story... when you're in a room with 500
people who are all trying to do that at the same time, which
I've been in many circumstances... it is not pleasant.
So the Earth is moving into a state that is more advanced. The
"Law of One" says that it is a hundred times more harmonious
than living on the Earth right now. That's hard to imagine, but
it's still only 4D. When you get up to 5D, that's when you learn
all of the scientific stuff, the wisdom which is honor,
actually, the honor principle is very important.
Honor is the principle in which you are willing to sacrifice
yourself for a greater cause, and in which you have a sense of
duty, a sense of responsibility, whereas a 4D person with a very
open heart... you may have a very open heart, but you also may
say, Oh I just don't want to do that because it's not fun. I
only want to do things that I enjoy. The principle of honor is
the principle that says, I have a responsibility to do this. I
might not like it, but it's my job; it's my responsibility. I'm
going to make sure that it gets done.
So you have the two primal forces in the Universe: love and
Love is 4th density. Light or wisdom is 5th density. The
unity of love and light is 6th density... the brow chakra.
That's the level that your higher self is at. That's the level
that Ra is coming from. At that level you have compassion and
wisdom. Compassion and wisdom... unity... oneness.
And then after that you have the 7th density which is the level
of what they call the guardians. These are the entities that
actually advise groups like Ra. They watch over us when we go
through this process when our planet shifts from one dimension
to another and make sure that nobody falls off to the wayside,
so that everybody gets to where they need to go. So, we are
under enormous protection.
The guardians, what they do basically is they reach a point
where they say the looking backward is finished, and what that
means is they have reviewed their whole soul's history, all the
past lives they've ever had, and gain all the knowledge there is
to know. They've become fully enlightened. At that point they
gain what is called spiritual mass.
This is all "Law of One" philosophy now, which becomes like
gravity, and you actually begin collapsing into oneness which
means... by the time you are at 7th density level, it's almost
like you are a star... like a whole star is your being now. Even
the whole galaxy potentially is your being.
And these entities eventually collide back into oneness...
galaxies actually implode on themselves and that not just
something you are seeing out in space. As a star or galaxy
collapsing, it's actually an entity that has finished its
curriculum of evolution and is regaining its unity with the
After 7th density you go into the mystery of what is called
intelligent infinity which is oneness ... the true oneness... in
which you have no memory, no identity, no sense of past, present
or future... simply allness and foreverness. And that freaks a
lot of people out. They say I don't want to ever lose my
personality. I don't want to lose anything.
It's not losing anything. It's gaining. Gaining back who you
really are, because you're not separate from this Universe.
That's the really important message of the "Law of One"...
everybody suffers and goes through their drug addictions and
shopaholics... shopaholic, rageaholic, driving too fast... all
of these addictive behaviors... all of these mind-melds that we
get into with negative energy... are all a function of feeling
separated from God or the Creator as if we'd been abandoned,
left alone, isolated here.
You reach a point in your cosmic evolution where God is not
something out there you're saying: "Oh, there it is." It's
within, so how could you be a Messiah on a planet? How could
anybody be, because that implies that it's somebody else? Right?
It's not somebody else. It's you. You are the Christ
And the second coming of Christ as Cayce described it... Edgar
Cayce... is something that's happening in a lot of people, so it
would be inappropriate and extreme for me to claim any type of
uniqueness or special ability or rank that's higher than other
people, so we are moving out of that hierarchical thing that is
definitely part of what this 4th density consciousness is about.
Kerry: OK, so to bring you back to today and where we are here
on this planet at this time, that's a journey some of us are
going through as individuals all the time, on the surface, some
people have come from other densities who have already graduated
to certain degrees of that, and then the Earth itself is going
through that, OK, as an entity. If you bring it back to here and
now and you are dealing with sort of the opposites that are
existing on the planet here... the good, the evil, the... and
you got ETs that are coming across as positive and might have a
Kerry: You have ETs that are coming across as negative and may
actually facilitate a positive reaction...
David: In certain circumstances, yes.
Kerry: Then you've got ETs that are coming from the fifth, you
know, the love... the unity of love and wisdom, and some of
these are visible to us... 'cause in a sense there's also kind
of a piercing of the veil happening.
David: First of all, you raised one interesting point that I
want to comment on further, and that is only beings in 4th and
5th density require UFOs to travel. When you get up to the 6th
density level, you are now the equivalent of a whole planet of
people like us that's fused into one mind.
And that becomes such a powerful entity, that it will just think
itself anywhere in the Universe it wants to go, and it's there.
It does not require a ship to travel. UFOs are generally
something these ETs are creating with their own consciousness.
They manifest it based on blueprints that they can download.
The internet is a very apt metaphor of what shared consciousness
is like. We are moving into. We are moving into the 4th density
on Earth. We will have superhero powers. By comparison to where
we are now, you will be able to levitate yourself. You'll be
able to instantly manifest objects with your thought. You'll be
travel through time... travel through space. You'll be
able to provide for instantaneous healing and there is
telepathic communication, so there are no secrets any more.
Everyone's consciousness is unified. You can't hide anything
from other people. That's a very profound discontinuous shift
from where we are now.
Kerry: That leads into where ETs are at this moment, because
they do have, at least, telepathic abilities, most of them...
Kerry: ...that are far advanced of most Earthlings, you know.
David: Absolutely. Absolutely correct.
Kerry: So that leaves us at a disadvantage, depending on what
their agendas are. So, maybe you could talk about that.
David: We are experiencing the battle of Armageddon on this
planet. It is not something that occurs in the future. The "Law
of One" philosophy is just one philosophy which is based on what
we call ageless wisdom or esoteric wisdom, and I'm not trying to
say that this material is the only material that is any good.
However, it is a fact to my understanding that most channeling
you see out there on the internet now, or in books for that
matter, most of it is highly distorted, and the reason why is
that there's a battle of Armageddon going on. It is not
something that occurs right at the end of the age in the last
few years before 2012.
It's actually been occurring for thousands of years, and it's a
battle between good ETs and bad ETs. Its one way to say it even
though good and bad is a relatively subjective term. When we say
good, we mean entities that are service to others oriented,
meaning that their purpose is to help, to love, create a
unifying of people together in love.
Entities on the service to self path believe that they are
helping - believe that they are creating spiritual evolution,
but they do it by interfering with you, by making you
uncomfortable... making you unhappy... colliding with your free
will. And they will try to invade a planet and conquer a planet,
but they can't do that unless they have the desire of those
planets' inhabitants to be conquered.
That's a very important point. They have to have the free will
mandate. People have to say: "Yes, we want to be enslaved. We
want to be taken over." That's why they can't just sweep into a
planet and invade and take over.
Now, the beings that are above 5th density, like in 6th density,
you have the unifying of service to self and service to others.
Negative and positive are the same. They come together, and some
people get really freaked out when we say that, but it's true.
There is a level at which the Creator uses the negative path and
the positive path to promote evolution.
One of the really great tenets of "Law of One" philosophy is
what happened at the dawn of creation.
There was only the
positive path. Every being knew that it was one with God, knew
that it was one with the Creator. There was no sense of
separation. And as a result, no one was growing, no one was
evolving. It was very stale, very boring. People were spending
thousands and thousands and thousands of years in 3rd density
which is where we are now, without ever graduating, because
nobody needed to help each other and that's the whole point.
Changes that we're seeing now on the Earth, all the upheavals
the honey bee collapse, with
the SARS virus, and with
the Earth changes, and the solar system changes, and the
conspiracies, and corruption, and the fossil fuels dwindling,
and the gas prices going up, and the economy might collapse, and
all these things that are happening are designed to sort of make
us uncomfortable, so that we'd draw together, and that we find a
way to connect with each other, and become more at peace as a
And we start seeing how the path of separation and of
pulling each other apart doesn't work anymore, and that we have
to come together as a unified consciousness.
So when you're dealing with evolution in the Universe, it was
very early in our creation that one of the galaxies... galaxies
represent the primordial Creators... they basically set up a
whole system of evolution of 22 archetypes... 22 basic
experiences that every person on every planet will go through in
that galaxy. And wherever you are now, there is a veil between
the conscious mind and the super conscious mind, meaning that
you can consciously believe that God has abandoned you... that
you have no connection to the Universe.
That is the seed of the negative path. The seed of the negative
path is separation.
The pain of feeling that God doesn't exist
or that God has abandoned you leads to you feeling like no one
else has any value. When you start awakening to these laws of
the Cosmos... the radiant mind energy that's all over the
Cosmos. You then feel that you have become a God where none
existed and therefore everyone else is like insects compared to
where you are, and that in order to enlighten them, you have to
That's the basis of the negative path.
There are entities who
believe this way who are higher evolved than humans... higher
evolved than the people on the planet at this time. And, they
are trying to come to this planet, trying to take over; however,
those 7th density beings I spoke of before, known as the
guardians, they're job is to create this wall of protection
around the Earth, which is called the quarantine, and that
basically ensures that they will never be able to invade.
Now, because we as a planet are not uniformly positive, we have
the blending of positive and negative influence. That means the
average person may, on the one hand say I love you to their
spouse, and then go and cheat on them with somebody else, OK. A
lot of people on this planet think of themselves as we are
basically good people... we are basically good at heart.
In the Diary of Ann Frank, that famous line she says at the
end... here she's been tortured by the Nazis, right, and she
"But I do believe that we're all really good at heart."
Well, that's actually the problem... that there are people who
are doing really negative things who believe they are basically
good at heart, and they're not dealing with the disconnect
between the good part and the part that's hurting people.
So you may have a guy who says: "Well, I love my wife, and I
support my family," but yet he's going out to strip bars or he's
cheating on her with somebody else. When mass murderers and
murderers in general have been interviewed when they're on death
row, they don't say: "I'm this terrible killer." They almost
invariably will have justified the murder for whatever reason,
even if it's people that they didn't know and they had no
connection to. They will come up with some reason why what they
did was a good thing.
So, we as a planet are in a situation where we're doing negative
things, but we're not aware that they're negative, and that's a
major problem that we have. So, as a result, we end up forcing
ourselves to have these negative greetings, as they're called.
We have these entities around us that could provide a perfect
protection from negative entities interfering with our planet.
If we had the mandate of society to be only positive, but we
don't. We're creating negative energy in our own lives like by
lying to people. That's a great example.
If you can look somebody in the eye and know that you're not
telling them the truth, but you're doing it basically for your
own benefit, then in some small way you are sending some energy
out there that will allow a negative reading to happen in your
own life which means you might have bad karma. You might
suddenly like hit your head on the door and you're bleeding and
ahh, you know... or, it could be something that happens to the
This is why we have corrupt government. This is why we have
environmental degradation. This is why we have Earth changes.
The Earth changes are actually very much like the primitive
societies said: the Earth is a living organism.
If we were getting along harmoniously as a people, we would not
be having Earthquakes; we would not be having hurricanes. None
of that stuff would be happening. It's a projection of our
disharmony. And the great way that I saw that happen was during
the Israel-Lebanon war last year. The tensions of everybody's
mind got really, really tweaked out on the planet, and then
there was a global heat wave.
Here in L.A. It was horrible. You guys remember that? It was
like... I was lying there in bed, because I did not have air
conditioning in my apartment in Santa Monica, and I was dying
from the heat. And it was all over the place. It was Europe. It
was Asia. It was North America, South America.
Well, it was because everybody was freaked out that the
Israel-Lebanon war could create World War III... Armageddon in
the Middle East. There was this huge fear in the planet, and
that stops the energy from flowing through the planet as it
should. It gets bottled up and creates this unusable heat which
causes us to have these Earth changes.
So, these guardians... these 7th dimensional beings... again,
create this bullet proof shield around the Earth, but because we
invite incursion by our negativity, there are certain random
windows that will be opened and that is mandated.
Nobody knows when it will happen until it happens, but when they
open, you get what's called a UFO wave or a saucer wave. Most of
the UFOs that you see in the sky are negative entities. Most of
the UFOs are negative. There are some that are positive, but the
majority of them are the negative side.
Doesn't mean that they're going to hurt you necessarily. You
will not be affected by these UFOs unless you've invited it in
your own life by basically being overtly negative, so that's
another good incentive to, you know, stay on the positive path
and try to do the right thing for other people and try to be
positive, supporting, uplifting, loving.
Kerry: So how do you make sense of the fact that you've got
people going through abduction scenarios like Jim Sparks who you
may not be familiar with personally, who we heard speak, and
he's written a book called The Keepers, and who was conscious
during his experiences or contact experiences, however you want
to frame it? And basically, he's being taught how to make the
Earth a better place. They're being shown... he says there are
group abductions that he's seen; that they're being educated by
these ETs to basically save the Earth.
David: OK, that's a good question. This gets into... we're in
one of those gray areas that is very strange, and that is that
the positive side like to call themselves the Confederation. And
it's basically a group of 53 some odd civilizations that have
all come together and are basically acting as sort of a
celestial government for our little sector of the galaxy.
Ra, the group that I've worked with, and it's in the "Law of
One" series, is just one of the entities in
one of many... of 53. Now they basically oversee what they call
the management and transfer of planetary populations. In a
situation like what you described, there are entities in the
Confederation, 4D and 5D, that use UFOs to travel and they will
sometimes bring people on board the ship and give them positive
spiritual teaching. So, that is sometimes what happens.
Now, you will have situations in which people have been
contacted and they have what appears to be kind of like an
abduction. The main difference between a negative abduction and
a positive contact is (in) the negative abduction you will have
the feeling like you are a lab animal... like you're basically
not cared for, not respected... you're in terror, you're in
fear. You'll be probed and prodded... scoop marks on your body
and so forth. A positive contact will be something where you
feel inspired, uplifted, and you're given a message of hope and
peace for this planet.
It is a very important thing to point out that many people start
out by being contacted by good guys, Confederation entities, and
then end up not following the teachings that they're given. And
when that happens, if you start diverting from the teachings
that you're given, for example, many channelers start to think
they're the Messiah... very, very common.
You think... I'm talking to the extraterrestrials and I'm
getting all these Cosmic teachings coming through me and
therefore I am here to save humanity from it's evil ways. I am
going to lead us through the Ascension and duhduhduhduh... as
soon as you start thinking like that, it's a mandate that the
negative side is going to start interfering with what you're
getting... mandate, you can't avoid it.
Kerry: And in fact this happened to Cayce, did it not?
David: Cayce had negative interfering with his channeling,
because he was getting angry at the people who were heckling him
about his ability. Because he was not following this principle
of brotherly love... love thy neighbors as thyself which is a
basic Christ teaching.
That allowed a negative entity that called itself Halaliel ...
spelled h-a-l-a-l-i-e-l... to start giving him messages, and
those were the messages that everybody equates with the prophecy
of California sinking into the ocean, pole shifts, tidal waves
and all this stuff. It has been said emphatically in the
channeling from the Confederation which has history going back
to Edgar Cayce. There's three or four sources I've identified
from the 1950s that said this stuff.
There's sources in the 60s like the
Jane Roberts material... the
Seth books... the "Law of One" series in the 80s... and then my
material since then... Carla's Material... she's continued
channeling since then... and a few other sources... maybe Dr.
Norma Milanovich's first book,
We the Arcturians, etc., in which
there's a positive message that says - you're not going to
experience pole shift, you're not going to experience terrifying
This 2012 thing is about spiritual growth, right? If you're
trying to grow spiritually as a person, why? If you believe in
reincarnation, why would you be spiritually growing? Are you
just going to keep reincarnating... re-doing this over and over
No. You get to a certain point where you will have learned
everything you can learn from being on Earth, and you're ready
to go and do something else. You're ready to go to a higher
place where you don't have to suffer so much. You've probably
noticed in this video... my hands... they were worse in the last
taping, but they're still not looking very good. It's not
because I got spray paint on myself. This is scarring from
poison ivy that I had. I'm not immune from having karma. I'm not
immune from having really bad things happen to me, because
sometimes I don't figure out what I should be doing. What's the
best use of my energy, my time?
Kerry: Well, isn't it true, also, that the "Law of One" group
had a sort of bad demise, in a sense that there were a lot of
negative things going back and forth. One of the people
committed suicide... is that right?
David: That's correct. That's correct... this is not something
that we usually discuss, because it's kind of upsetting, but the
man who was asking the questions in the "Law of One" series
actually did commit suicide.
Kerry: So, I mean, but what it speaks to, you know, is the sense
that you're saying if somebody becomes evolved enough to follow
sort of a good path, but begins on some level to let in
negativity and whatever, they go through sort of... you know...
I guess a night of the soul... they become tested on a higher
level in which the tests are tougher. And if they don't pass,
this is when you get... you know...
David: Car accidents...
Kerry: All this fallout.
David: Serious injuries to the body, physical death in some
cases, financial... complete financial loss, some people end up
having to flee the country, because if you get in trouble with
the government and the IRS audits them and they end up
completely broke... bankruptcy.
It's very, very common that you see people involved in
channeling have their lives collapse because when you start
giving a message to humanity, you have to live by it very
strongly. And if you don't do that, then there's very serious
repercussions. The questioner of the "Law of One" series,
Elkins, kind of dwelled a little too frequently on the negative
side, because there were negative entities attacking their
group, trying to kill Carla, the one who was actually doing the
channeling. It's very difficult to be involved in this work. In
the process of doing our film, several of the people involved in
the film have had very serious health problems that almost
killed them, actually.
Kerry: And this is the film, "The Convergence" film that you're
David: Convergence, uh huh...
Kerry: So maybe you can explain, just in a short way, what that
film's about and what you're involved in.
David: Well, the purpose of the film is to primarily express to
people in an entertaining way that our minds are interconnected
with each other. It's a very rudimentary, but very important
principle that you have to be able to absorb to understand how
we're interconnected. The conventional person has had some kind
of ESP at some point in their life, but they're not really sure
if it's real.
Once you understand that your mind is like a radio, tuned into
other people's minds. It's not separate from other people's
minds, and you think a thought, and it radiates out into your
environment and affects the people around you. That's a very
So, the desire of our film is to bring this knowledge out to the
public, without going into UFOs and without going into any of
the esoteric stuff I've been talking about with you guys. But, I
have put together a really elegant, fascinating body of
scientific data showing how the mind is a conscious energy
field, and we've arranged it into a trilogy of films. The one
we're doing now is the first of that trilogy.
It started out as just being a documentary, and then we decided
that we were going to do a dramatic film, and we're now on our
third re-write of the dramatic script ... the screenplay of that
film. We're working with a man who is a very high-ranking member
of a film school here in L.A., and he's brought a lot of dynamic
and unique elements to our screenplay which we're very excited
So you can kind of think of it as "Da Vinci Code" meets "The
Secret"... is kind of where we are going, or "What the Bleep Do
We Know." You're not going to have talking heads or interviews
in the film. It's going to be totally filmic. It's going to be a
script with a plot, and characters, and drama, and so forth, but
the science is going to come out in the course of the arch of
these characters. There's not a whole lot more i can say about
it, because frankly we are in re-writes and we don't even know
where the script is going to go. It could change altogether,
Kerry: Right. But, so this circles back around to the fact that
these... some people involved in the making of this film are
being sort of attached by a certain degree of negativity.
Kerry: And this is really fascinating. Maybe you could talk
about what people could do who find themselves on a good path
and yet they get this escalation of the negative side in which
they need to protect themselves.
David: This is really an important point. A lot of people who
are going to be seeing this tape are going to be experiencing
negative greeting in their own lives. The more involved you try
to get in healing and evolving this planet, the more negative
greeting you're going to experience.
There are basically two ways that you can solve negative
greeting. The first way is to abandon your quest. If you're
really getting butt-kicked, and you're trying to do something
for the planet, you can basically drop out of the race, get a
normal job, marry, have a child, become a "Muggle". Again if you
want to use the Harry Potter term, and kind of get out of the
game... and the negative greetings will stop. They will leave
you alone. You won't have to go through all this hell.
The other way is to be really, really diligent.
If you want to
be in service to the planet, it takes a life commitment. You
can't go in and then pull out easily. One of the thing's that's
important is the principle of honor, again. If you make a solid
commitment that this is what you're going to do... that you're
going to be a spiritual teacher... you're going to be somebody who's
going to try to evolve consciousness ... you can't like sort of be
into it one week and then not into it the next week.
You have to stay consistent. It's a spiritual path. So, it also
is very important that you live by your principles. I have heard
many, many stories - even back from the early and mid-90s - of
people who went on, like seminars with channelers. And the
channeler is giving one message to their followers in these
groups, but then acting very nasty towards their people like on
the tour bus. "Don't talk to me" ... you know... "Get away from
me"... and there's even one case in which there was a female
where she was experiencing horrible karma on this trip...
burning herself, falling. People were realizing that this was
because she was not living by her own teachings.
She completely wouldn't accept that, and the guy who I knew who
was talking about this was one of the members of the trip, and
was actually heckling her about it, which is not a nice thing to
do either. In order to avoid negative greeting, the most
important thing I can tell you is to choose your battles
carefully; don't get involved in something that you don't really
have the time or the desire to complete. No one is requiring you
to become some type of world figure - world savior.
The most important thing that will keep you from negative
greeting is preserving consistent harmony in your lives with
yourself and with other people that are close to you. Negative
greeting will happen to you when you lose the harmony with the
people that you're closest to... when you start arguing with
them... bickering with them, attacking them... when you start
getting selfish... when you start getting jealous... when you
start feeling greed... when you start saying "I want to do this
basically, so I can make money, because I want to spend money on
You earn money to serve. You don't earn money to gratify
yourself to go off to Vegas and play the slot machines or to
have a prostitute or whatever. Earn money so that you can recirculate it on behalf of the planet. And that's why in "the
'Law of One'" contact the group was told over and over again...
guard the harmony in your group very carefully. Don't let
yourselves get into arguments with each other. Don't let
yourselves fight with each other.
It's all about the attitude. It's about maintaining your
frequency. And the reason why this happened to me is because I
didn't maintain my frequency. I let certain things really get me
upset... angry, and my hands got scorched. So, I'm not above it.
It can happen to anybody, and it's a very essential principle.
Kerry: Right, I think that that's really great for people to
hear, because it's clear that you're on this kind of a path,
regardless of where you are on it, and I'm... we're not going to
make any suppositions about that. But, what's important is that
people begin to develop tools to protect themselves as they do
journey, and there are going to be a lot of people watching this
that are on that same journey, as we are.
David: Yeah, it's really... people love to try to make it
complicated and they love to say wow, you got to do your violet
meditation in the violet flame with a white egg of light around
you. All that stuff is technique. You can do that if you want
to. Trying to stay in a meditative state is important, but
really, honestly, it's all about there's an absolute law in the
Universe and it's free will.
If you're on the negative path, you don't care about free will,
but you're constantly having karma come back to you because you
infringe on it. On the positive path... the definition of the
positive path is that you're not infringing on free will. If
somebody asks you for your help, you give them your help, but
you don't offer service when it's not requested.
That's another thing... like fundamentalist groups, for
example... whether it's Christian or any other religion...
fundamentalist Muslim, fundamentalist Buddhist, fundamentalist
Christian. If you're going out there and proselytizing people
"you're not thinking right. You're not believing the way
you should. We have the answer. We need to tell you what's going
Guaranteed you're on the negative path. You cannot be on
the positive path and telling people how to think and what to do
with themselves, period.
If somebody wants your help, that's great. So you put out a
website; you put out videos like this. If somebody wants to
watch it, they can. But if somebody's been watching this video
for four hours or however long it is that we've been going, and
they're sitting here laughing at me and they're saying David is
a jerk and David is an egomaniac, well I'm not asking you to
watch the video. I'm not telling you this is how you should
If fundamentalist Christianity works for you and that's your
spiritual path, then go for it. Do it. If you're a Buddhist and
you want to chant Namyohorengekyo all day long, that's great,
fine. I'm not going to tell you how to believe or what to think.
That's the negative path.
The positive path honors free will. If you want to avoid
negative greeting, you preserve the free will principle very
diligently. You don't infringe on other people's free will. You
attempt to promote harmony and love in a positive attitude as
much as possible, and the more you can do that, it guarantees
that you are not going to have negative greeting. That's why
most of the time, negative greetings don't happen to me. They
happen to people around me, because what they will do... they
will find the weakness... find the chink in your armor.
Somebody could have a relatively normal life if they're not
trying to help the planet. They get involved with me... they
become a business partner and all of a sudden they're having all
kinds of disasters happen to them... health problems, even to
the point of almost killing them. And it's not like I'm giving
them a voodoo hex or anything. It's because if they start
infringing on what we're doing, or they try to steer me in a
more negative or self-serving direction, they're accountable for
that, much more than they would have been before. In fact...
Kerry: Well, it's also that they're also moving to a certain
level. They're saying, OK, I'm up to this. I'm able to step up
to another level, and therefore they're actually inviting the
challenges, and they're higher challenges. So, in a sense, it
requires greater strength on their part.
Kerry: so it's actually on a certain level, independent of you,
that the people around you may be... they're stepping up is what
they're doing... in their own way...
David: That's true... that's true.
Kerry: As you are stepping up and we see it all around ourselves
that this kind of thing will happen. So, it's very important
though, also, just to backtrack a tiny bit, in which conflict
also has healing parts to it, so that to avoid conflict or to
bury it is also not the answer.
David: Absolutely. That's a wonderful point. This gets into the
concept of the protocol of avoiding negative greeting. When
you're being negatively greeted, you have an entity that's
coming to you saying, "I want to enslave you." There's a way to
handle that, OK. You basically want to love the attacker. That's
the part that nobody can get their hands around.
Like with the government, for example. If you're out there
writing these articles saying "the Bush administration is cata...
you know, catastrophically ignorant and these buffoons are...
these jackoffs are..." if you're sending hate to them you're
guaranteeing that you're perpetuating the cycle of hate.
Hate only leads to hate. So you see the negative entity as being
a person like you... part of the oneness that's confused,
because it believes in separation, it believes in pain, and
control, and manipulating people.
So you send love to the entity, because you recognize that
there's a part of yourself that's like that. There's a part of
yourself that is manipulative and controlling and dominant. But,
you also draw boundaries. Boundaries is the key. Boundaries is
where you say "I love you uncon... I love you but there are
conditions, because I'm not going to let you do this. I'm not
going to let you infringe on my space."
If every spiritual conundrum you found yourself in had a very
simple answer, enlightenment would be simple. All you'd have to
do is have a book, right, like my book for example. This was the
German version of it actually. We didn't show that before. It's
been published in two countries now, and you say, "Well, OK,
page 303 says here that, oh OK, when somebody's telling you that
I'm a jerk. All I have to do is say ‘screw off'... OK, ‘screw
off'... " and, boom, your problem is solved. It's not that
simple. The real way that enlightenment works is that there's
always these gray areas where you have to use your wisdom and
come up with something on your own.
Kerry: Right, and this gets back to love and wisdom.
Kerry: So, we actually want to move up the chakras, we want to
unite love and wisdom, and... and move forward from there. Thank
you very much for sharing with us.
David: It's my pleasure.
Kerry: And maybe we can do some more of this, because...
David: Happy to...
Kerry: You seem to have a lot of knowledge, but I want to ask
you quickly, why do you have this woman next to you... this
statue of a woman which is a very interesting choice, and... and
maybe she has meaning for you, so I just thought it might be
nice to know what it was.
David: Well, I chose to use the symbolism of Sofia, the
feminine. The higher self is approached as a feminine source.
It's the color of blue, so that the color of the shirt that I'm
wearing is intended to represent that.
Now, ideally she should have been on my right shoulder, but the
room was not adequately situated in such a way that we could do
that. But the Illuminati would have this be Isis and say it's
the feminine principle of Lucifer. That's not why I'm doing it.
First of all, it was just kind of a cool prop to have in the
shot... something to look at. But more importantly, the feminine
is the way in which divine energy comes across. We are moving
out of a patriarchal society and we are moving into a feminine.
So the feminine energy is that which is coming in at this time,
and so this is kind of like a reminder to me. This is where
energy's coming in from... the left hand side. It goes out
through the right.
So energy is coming in from the feminine. I just wanted to sort
of hopefully bring in some warmth, some nurturance, because I
can at times be really masculine in my energy and really
left-brained scientific, and hopefully this will remind me to
stay on the feminine side and keep my heart open.
David: But, it's been really wonderful to have this
opportunity to speak with you, and I thank you guys for
participating in this. All that's required to be able to go
through this Ascension is slightly 50% more service to others
than service to self. You can still have a lot of flaws. You
don't have to be perfect. Everybody gets to win in this game.
It's very simple.
Just try to help others as much as
you can and that's it.